Dateks Intel Core i7 Gen12 Creative (DDR5), Core i7-12700K, 64GB (2x32) DDR5, GeForce RTX 4070, 2TB NVMe Gen4, no OS
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- Hull: Deepcool CG540, Tempered Glass, Black
- PSU: Asus ROG Strix, 1000W, 80PLUS Gold, Openbox
- Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 UD AX, Refurbished
- CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K (8P+4E/20T, 3.60 GHz, 25MB Cache, LGA1700, 125W)
- Processor cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 A-RGB Black
- RAM: Kingston FURY Beast RGB White (EXPO + XMP), DDR5, 64GB. 5200MHz, CL36, Kit of 2
- Video Card: Palit GeForce RTX 4070, 12GB GDDR6, Dual OC (DLSS 3)
- SSD: ADATA Legend 900, 2TB, M.2 Gen4 x4
TheDateks.lv Creative series workstation, featuring a powerful Core i7-12700K (8C/20 T) processor, 12 GB GeForce RTX 4070 graphics card and fast 64GB (2x32) DDR5 5200 MHz RAM, is optimised for professional performance with any audio and photo processing software available today. The system delivers impressive performance in 4K and even higher resolution video processing as well as 3D modelling and rendering.
Working with audio
The Creative series workstation meets and exceeds the recommended requirements of the most popular sound processing and music production tools, so it can be safely used in sound studios to create high-quality audio content in FL Studio, Ableton Live, Reason, Cubase, SOUND FORGE, Adobe Audition, Audacity and other sound processing software (DAW). The extensive range of internal and external ports allows you to add professional-grade sound cards, MIDI and DJ controllers, as well as other accessories and musical instruments to the system.
Photo processing
The most popular photo editors (Adobe, Corel, CyberLink, etc.) increasingly include features and effects that support graphic acceleration. During acceleration, calculations are performed by video cards, which are many times faster than CPUs due to their parallel computing capabilities. For this purpose, a GeForce RTX 4070 with 12 GB GDDR6 memory and 5888 compute (CUDA) cores is installed in the PC.
If you've used the Enhance Details feature in Lightroom, you'll know that the video card gives an incredible performance boost, as even the mediocre GTX 1060 does this 15-20 times faster than the Intel UHD 630 Graphics chip built into the Core i9-9900K processor!
As we mentioned earlier, the video card is becoming increasingly important for photo processing, but for now the hardest work is still on the CPU, so this system features the powerful and advanced 8 Core Core i7-12700K processor with 25 MB cache, 3.60 GHz base and 5.00 GHz turbo frequency. This will allow you to use all the features of Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop and Illustrator quickly and without unpleasant delays.
Video editing and post-processing
As with photo processing, the central processing unit (CPU) does the heavy lifting when rendering video material. If you survey ten people who have tried editing a video at least once in their lives, whether with Windows Movie Maker, Premiere Pro, MAGIX Vegas or other software, at least nine will find that the most frustrating part of the whole process is the rendering, which, depending on the video resolution and the effects used in the editing, most often takes longer than the video itself.
The time required to export the edited material depends on a number of system parameters - processor architecture, cache, clock frequency, RAM size and speed - but the number of cores makes the biggest difference - the more cores, the shorter the time it takes to render the video.
In our opinion, this Core i7-12700K 8 cored Creative workstation delivers the best performance for video processing tasks in its price segment.
However,previews and effects that support graphics acceleration require a modern and powerful video card with a large amount of graphics memory (VRAM), especially when the goal is to edit 4K and higher resolution video. The recommended amount of VRAM depends directly on the resolution of the video material to be processed:
Material resolution | 1080p | 4K | 6K | 8K |
Recommended VRAM size | 4GB | 6GB | 8GB | 10GB |
With these requirements in mind, we've also equipped the system with a powerful GeForce RTX 4070 video card that 12 GB GDDR6 memory delivers the horsepower you need to work with 1080p, 4K and higher resolution content in Adobe Premiere Pro, After Effects, MAGIX Vegas, DaVinci Resolve and other video editing and post-production tools.
You may be wondering why Creative a workstation is running a gaming-ready GeForce RTX 4070 video card instead of a professional-grade NVIDIA Quadro or AMD FirePro. The truth is that video cards designed for gaming are more affordable and provide much better overall performance when we include the different possible applications (photo and video processing, 3D modelling, gaming, etc.) in the calculations. And there's no need to be ashamed of taking a break from the workflow to play a demanding PC game - GeForce RTX 4070 makes this possible, unlike Quadro cards.
The amount and speed of RAM plays an equally important role in video processing. To handle complex 1080p and 4K projects freely and without slowdown, the system includes a massive 5200 MHz 64GB (2x32) DDR5 memory, which can even be doubled if needed thanks to the free memory sockets on the Z790 (DDR5) motherboard.
CAD design and 3D modelling
The most popular 3D tools today , Autodesk 3ds Max, Maya, Revit and Cinema 4D, can only use one core effectively during the model creation, modification and animation process, so the processor clock frequency plays a particularly important role during these operations - the higher it is, the smoother the work will run. The same applies to AutoCAD, Inventor and Revit architecture and design software.
In contrast, in model rendering (Arnold, Mental Ray, V-Ray, Keyshot, etc.) it is the number of cores that has a significant impact on the time taken to export the material, which is why often in large corporations employees are provided with separate workstations for modelling, while the rendering processes are executed on separate systems, popularly known as render farms.
This Creative workstation has a Core i7-12700K processor with a maximum clock frequency of 5.00 GHz, which allows the simulation processes to run smoothly and seamlessly. And the high core count (8 cores / 20 threads) helps render complex 3D models. The performance of the graphics card is also important for the smooth display of any 3D content - our GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB is more than sufficient for this. For the applications listed, the recommended RAM is between 8GB and 16GB, so the included 64GB (2x32) DDR5 5200 MHz RAM in the configuration has plenty of headroom to perform these tasks professionally.
CPU Intel Core i7-12700K
The included Intel Core i7-12700K processor has 8 cores and 25 MB cache. It has a base frequency of 3.60 GHz, which can be increased to 5.00 GHz for more demanding tasks thanks to Turbo technology.
The Intel Core i7-12700K CPU with impressive 8C/20T core configuration, huge 25 MB cache and core clock ranging from 3.60 GHz to 5.00 GHz receives whopping 34000+ points in famous PassMark test. By purchasing a PC with a Core i7-12700K processor you will get peace of mind for several years as its power allows you to render and work with complex 3D models and do professional video editing with fast rendering times. Of course, any current and upcoming computer game won’t be a problem for this computer because of its powerful GeForce RTX 4070 graphics card.
The new Intel Core i7-12700K processor, released on 4 November 2021, uses the new Alder Lake microarchitecture, which combines multiple Performance and Efficient power-efficient cores on a single chip. This has led to unprecedented performance in PC gaming, where Core i7-12700K outperforms not only all previous generation Intel processors, but also the most powerful AMD Ryzen 5000 series.
RAM 64GB (2x32) DDR5
64GB (2x32) DDR5 RAM with 5200 MHz frequency and CL 36 latency will make sure your PC never slows down or jerks, no matter how hard it's working.
SSD 2TB NVMe Gen4
This Creative series PC configuration has a 2TB NVMe Gen4 SSD, which provides read speeds of up to 7000 MB/s and write speeds of up to 5400 Mb/s. An SSD is an essential part of any PC if you want the operating system, applications and game levels to load quickly.
Graphics card GeForce RTX 4070
Ergonomics
Given the amount of time we spend in front of a computer nowadays, the impact it has on our physical health and well-being, or ergonomics, plays an important role in our choice of computer. Laptops are by design unsuitable for long-term use because the relatively small screen is placed very close to the keyboard and the two cannot be in the right position for the human body at the same time. Prolonged work in an unnatural sitting position can cause neck and back pain and even lead to poor posture. Similarly, looking at a small screen puts increased strain on the eye muscles and, over time, almost inevitably leads to visual impairment.
By contrast, if we buy a stationary computer and add a keyboard, mouse and monitor of the right size, we can design our workplace in a way that is comfortable for us and as safe as possible for our bodies, thus avoiding increased fatigue, stiffness and pain in muscles and joints, and serious health problems in the long term.
Remember! No matter what computer you are sitting at, it is advisable to take a 3-5 minute break every 60 minutes to walk around, exercise your muscles, joints and vision, alternating between near and far objects to prevent your eye muscles from getting used to the unwanted focus at a certain distance.
Advantages of a desktop computer
Mobile processors and graphics cards have become more powerful in the last couple of years but the difference between the performance of a laptop and a desktop PC is still marginal. Of course you can run modern games and even professional photo and video editing software on a laptop but at the same price point a desktop computer will offer more performance than a laptop at almost any task.
In our experience insufficient cooling is also a serious problem in laptops and there’s an easy explanation – users want their devices to be powerful yet thin and light which is almost an impossible combination to achieve. Most consumers and manufacturers prefer design and mobility over performance, which results in a visually attractive product that heats up rapidly after just few minutes or even seconds after putting an increased load on the main components. Laptop fans start spinning faster to cope with the excessive heat. This increases the noise and is very often not effective enough, so the CPU and/or GPU reaches its temperature limit and the thermal throttling (self-preservation by significantly lowering the clock speed) kicks in. That results in a big loss of performance.
You don’t have to worry about overheating when you purchase our Creative series desktop PC. We have installed optimal 360mm Liquid Cooler which will make sure that the Core i7-12700K processor delivers its advertised performance without overheating. The temperature and noise levels will remain at a comfortable level all the time.
Why choose Dateks.lv
Stationary computers are our passion and our heart's desire, and for more than a decade this has been appreciated by our customers, among whom are professional surveyors and stringers, advertising agencies, architectural offices, banks, IT start-ups and others who care not only about the final price of the product, but also about the quality and professional attitude in all purchasing processes, including order processing, computer assembly, testing and delivery, as well as those rare occasions when warranty or post-warranty repair or maintenance is required .
When you receive an order for a computer kit, whether it is €250 or €2500, it is reviewed by a knowledgeable specialist before the order is placed to ensure that the components selected are compatible with each other and provide the best possible performance and quality for the tasks you need. If we see any shortcomings or room for improvement, we always contact the customer and provide arguments for recommended changes to the package, according to the intended application of the specific system.
Another important detail that makes us stand out from our competitors is that any changes to the computer set-up, which occasionally occur when a component runs out of stock or a better-priced or better-quality alternative is seen, are agreed with the customer. For example, if we notice that the RAM we originally chose is out of stock, but another manufacturer's model with identical or better specifications is available at the same price, we will certainly call to inform you of the situation and offer alternatives, but the customer always has the final say.
Any Dateks.lv stationary computer will be set up by our experienced technicians at no extra charge! Each system is carefully assembled with optimal component placement and cable organisation, which makes the system more visually appealing and improves the efficiency of the cooling system.
If the Windows operating system licence is ticked in the computer configurator, we will install it with all the necessary drivers so that when you receive your computer, you can use it fully from the first time you switch it on!
Warranty information
Every Dateks.lv computer set is provided with a 2-year warranty. The serial number and individual warranty period of each installed component is reflected in the warranty certificate, which is issued to the customer in printed form upon receipt of the goods. For individual components where the manufacturer's warranty period exceeds two years, we will provide full warranty service until the end of the warranty period for that particular product. Our kits are not sealed or otherwise restricted, so the owner is free to open the case to clean it, add memory or make other changes to the computer.
Each Dateks.lv computer kit is made to individual order and according to the computer components specified in the order. Therefore, a computer package is a product that is made to the customer's specifications or is clearly personalised, and the consumer cannot exercise the right of withdrawal when purchasing a computer package (Article 16 of EU Directive 2011/83/EU).
When the operating system is started it "loads" from the HDD to the RAM. The same process happens with all the applications and files opened with them. Therefore it is very important to have enough space in the RAM for all the above data for enabling the CPU to handle this information at a high speed.
If insufficient capacity RAM has been selected the CPU starts to use the HDD for its short-term operations and the computer becomes extremely slow at this moment. Therefore it is important to buy the memory volume required for handling the relevant tasks.
For average use, like the Internet browsing, working with documents and enjoying multimedia possibilities, 4GB RAM is fully sufficient.
For demanding 3D computer games, video/audio editing applications and any professional software at least 8GB RAM is required.
You should remember that there is never too much RAM. Therefore, if you can afford it you should buy more. Still you should take into account that the RAM is a parameter which can be upgraded by buying additional volume later if there are enough free memory connection slots in the motherboard.
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The most important difference between video cards is in their GPU or the central graphics core. This parameter determines the graphic performance and can be improved only if the whole card is replaced with another one.
Also video cards with equal GPU and model may differ by the volume of the graphic memory, the memory type, the cooling type and clock frequencies.
The graphic memory volume provides a possibility to play 3D games at a higher resolution, therefore, if you like games and plan to buy a big monitor or several monitors you should select a video card with the memory capacity of at least 1GB. If a video card is short of graphic memory it may "borrow" the necessary volume from the computer RAM. Still the difference in speed is considerable and in favour of the graphic memory.
You should pay attention to the memory type and frequency. DDR3 memory is better than DDR2 and slower than DDR5. And also DDR3 1800MHz memory will be faster than 1600MHz memory of the same type. Also the memory bandwidth is important within one memory type. Thus, DDR3 256bit memory will be faster than DDR3 128bit memory.
The type and quality of cooling is among the most important selection criteria of a video card. A good cooler contains one big or several small cooler and a bigger radiator than the standard cooling equipment of the relevant video card. You should ask our managers and they will help to select the best offer.
It is possible to buy a good cooler as a separate device, however, it is quite expensive ~25 LVL, therefore it is better to buy a card with sufficiently good cooling included.
When cards with identical GPU are selected you should pay attention to the availability of OC (OverClock) or industrially overclocked versions of the card. This type of the card secures higher graphic performance, still it has to be taken into account that it is usually achieved on the account of more intense (louder) cooling and operational stability.
The first M.2 SSDs appeared on the market shortly after the debut of Intel's Haswell architecture at the end of 2013. However, they didn't gain popularity until late 2015, when Intel's Skylake architecture and 100-series motherboards became more and more common to find M.2 sockets on. By early 2017, with the launch of Intel's 7th generation Kaby Lake and AMD Ryzen processors, almost all Z270 and X370 motherboards are equipped with one or even more M.2 sockets.
M.2 drives are basically available in 3 standards, which basically denote their physical characteristics - M.2 2280 (card size 22x80mm), M.2 2260 (22x60mm), M.2 2242 (22x42mm), but the M.2 technical specification also allows other sizes.
Unfortunately, physical dimensions are not the only differences that can be found in M.2 SSDs. The interface that these cards use to connect to the CPU is also different. Currently, two types of M.2 SSD are most widely used - SATA and PCI-Express. M.2 SSDs are capable of speeds up to 600 MB/s via the SATA interface, which is limited by the current SATA 3 protocol. It is because of this limitation that M.2 was adapted to be compatible with the PCI-Express bus to provide higher data transfer rates, which can reach up to 4 GB/s via the PCI-E interface! Several drives are already capable of read speeds of 2500 MB/s and more.
The main thing to remember is that despite the similarity of the ports, these drives are not compatible with each other! On a board with an M.2 socket connected only to the SATA interface, it will not be possible to use a PCI-E interface M.2 SSD and vice versa. However, from 2017 onwards, with the Intel B250, H270 and Z270 motherboards as well as the AMD X370 motherboards, almost all M.2 sockets are universal and support both SATA and PCI-Express interface M.2 SSDs. We always recommend checking the board manufacturer's website for this though.
An SSD disc consists of microchips, thus there are no moving parts in it and it is completely silent (0 dB). Due to this fact an SSD disc is more resistant to vibration and other mechanical impact than an HDD.
Due to the construction specifics higher volume SSD discs usually are higher-speed and the different in the speed can be even multifold. Therefore prior to buying it you should study carefully the indices of the operation speed of the SSD disc - reading and writing speed in Megabytes per second (MB/s). The operation speed of an average SSD disc has to be ~250 MB/s. Read un ~200 MB/s. Write. For high performance discs these indices will be ~350 MB/s Read un ~450MB/s Write accordingly.
The operation speed and volume of SSD discs is improving rapidly and the prices are falling. Therefore you should buy this type of disc only when the high-speed operation and silence are more important than the relevant investment.
Only the users who like to save everything or whose work specifics include a high volume of data, like, professional editing of photos and videos, large scale database systems, etc., should buy a disc above 1TB. For an average user a 1TB disc is "more than enough"
Besides the volume it is also necessary to select the speed of the disc. It is determined by the index of rotations per minute (rpm) and the cache memory. A 1000rpm disc will be faster than 7200rpm (and also more noisy in operation). At the same rotation index a disc with 64MB cache memory will be faster than a disc with 32MB cache memory, etc.
The disc parameters can be improved by purchasing additional disc and the number depends on the 3.5" HDD niches of the housing and the capacity of the power supply unit (an average HDD consumes approximately 25W power supply.)
The type of the connection slot SATAII and SATAIII are not very important as these are mutually compatible standards and (in case of HDDs) are not very important for the high-speed of data transmission.
When the operating system is divided from the data the OS and the software usually is places on a smaller size and higher speed disc. A high volume disc with a lower rpm index is devoted for the data as this solution ensures a higher safety of the data thanks to lower rotation speed and operating temperature. However, the discs should be located at a sufficient distance from each other, because in the contrary case they should be cooled with a ventilator.
If the selected motherboard does not provide the RAID data array it is worth considering the purchase of another disc due to two possible types of application:
RAID 0, or STRIPE is a data array capable of increasing the data reading/ writing speed considerably on the account of serial using of both discs (and data stability). If this connection is used a double risk has to be assumed - if one disc fails the total data array no longer operates and the data are lost. The discs of an identical model and manufacturer are used for this type of data array.
RAID 1, or MIRROR data array consists of two similar discs to which all the data are copied simultaneously and identically, thus ensuring the safety of the data against the damage of one disc. For this type of data array it is desirable to choose each disc of a different manufacturer or closely similar model due to the fact that in case of a manufacturing defect the discs of the same type can have the same defect increasing the risk of losing the data.
Besides the above referred RAID types there are also combined RAID 5 and RAID 6 which ensure the data safety and the increase of the operation speed at the same time, however, these data arrays require 3 and more discs accordingly as well as a specialized controller. You should inquire about the possibilities of setting up a computer with RAID 5, 6 data arrays by contacting our managers at
Populārākais disku veids patreiz ir DVD, tamdēļ vidusmēra lietotājam rekomendējam iegādāties DVDRW iekārtu.
BluRay diski nav pārāk izplatīti dēļ salīdzinoši augstās cenas. Tomēr, ja vēlaties, lai iekārta ļautu Jums noskatīties filmas BluRay formātā, iegādājieties BluRay combo, kas ļauj rakstīt/lasīt DVD un CD, bet tikai lasīt BluRay.
Savukārt, ja bieži arhīvējiet liela apjoma datus, un vēlaties to darīt kompaktā formā, tad iegādājieties BluRay Writer, kas pilda visas iepriekšminētās funkcijas un papildus spēj ierakstīt līdz pat 50 GB (DualLayer) BluRay diskus.
Populārākie standarti ir SDHC (SecureDigital High capacity) un microSD, kas pieejami standarta digitālajās kamerās Canon, Nikon, Kodak u.c. microSD un microSDHC karšu tips pieejams Nokia, Samsung u.c. mobilajos tālruņos
Sony iekārtām raksturīgas MemoryStick tipa kartes, Olympus kamerām - XD (Xtreme digital)kartes.
Digitālās profesionālās spoguļkameras lielākoties aprīkotas ar CF (CompactFlash) un MicroDrive kartēm.
Lai noskaidrotu kāds karšu tips ir Jūsu kamerai, izņemiet to no attiecīgās iekārtas un aplūkojiet. Visām kartēm uz korpusa ir norādīts tās tips ar attiecīgo saīsinājumu. Ja uz kartes nav informācijas, šo informāciju iespējams atrast attiecīgās iekārtas lietošanas instrukcijā vai tehniskajā specifikācijā.
For an average home or small office user without any specific requirements we recommend to buy the Windows 7 English 64bit version.
You should choose the 32bit software only in the case when you plan to use the software that has known compatibility problems with the 64bit operating system or devices that do not have 64bit drivers. However, most of the 32bit software can operate within the 64bit operating system.
All the computers and components offered by Dateks provide full support of the 64bit operating system, therefore we recommend this choice because of the fact that the support of the RAM above 3 GB is possible only in 64bit mode and this type of operating systems is gradually becoming the leading standard and it is inevitable that it will fully replace the 32bit systems in future.
When you buy an operating system you should choose carefully the language of the user interface as it will not be possible to change this language later (except the Ultimate version which is multilingual). We offer English, Latvian and Russian interface languages of the operating system.
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Windows Ultimate offers additional BitLocker data encoding application and a possibilities to switch over between the user's interface languages without changing the license.
For those preferring 3D games we recommend to pay attention to the panel response time. The lower this index the better. 2ms is considered the best index.
Those working with photo and graphics tasks as amateurs or professionals should pay attention to the matrix type. We recommend VA and IPS type matrix due to higher colour compliance indices.
We recommend to select a monitor with DVI or HDMI connection ports that use the digital transmission principle ensuring stable image quality.
When you buy a wireless keyboard you have to accept quite regular replacement of batteries. New batteries are included with all the wireless keyboards sold by
We offer also sets - a keyboard with a mouse. In most cases such a set is cheaper than a keyboard and a mouse bought separately, they are also compatible based upon esthetic and functional principles.
More expensive keyboards can offer also additional functions of which we think that the lighting of keys to make the work with a computer easier in dark is most useful.
Besides the keyboards of standard size and form also the keyboards of portable computer type are available - they have lower set keys and sometimes do not have the separate number pad. This type of keyboards are more esthetic and require less space, however, for some users they can make typing more difficult.
For users who have to type a lot we offer to buy a keyboard of a curved form that will feel better for palms ensuring the correct position of the palm. Also keyboards with mechanical keys are available and these provide a higher accuracy for fast typing users, however, this keyboard is much more expensive than standard models and it is also more noisy in operation.
Gaming mice have been constructed for enjoying games and ensure the optimum combination of the accuracy and convenience for long-term operation of the computer.
When you buy a wireless keyboard you have to accept quite regular replacement of batteries. New batteries are included with all the wireless keyboards sold by
Office 2010 Home & Student may be used only by home users and school students and this package includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote applications.
Office Home & Business may be used both at home and in businesses and it includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and OneNote
Office Professional includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and OneNote Access and Publisher applications and it is intended for both business and home users.
The purchased license is in the PKC (product key card) form which is a simple serial number. It is possible to download the software installation package from the Microsoft website and activated by using this number after the installation.
We would like to remind you that if you buy the license from us together with a new computer we will perform the required installation work for you free of charge, thus you will receive the computer ready for work with all the purchased software.
The license of antivirus software are terminated for a certain time period which is usually 1 year. After the expire of this term the antivirus software will continue running, however, the access to updates is no longer available. The software will notify on the approach of the license term in due time and will offer to buy updates.
Besides the antivirus software also the Internet Security software sets are available and they include additional protection functions, for example, the firewall, malware protection and browser protection). You should look for these sets under the section "akternatives" under the preferred antivirus software developer.
For ensuring the power supply of an average computer for 5 minutes after a power cut it is sufficient to have ~600VA UPS.
Iegādājoties 5.1 skaļruņu sistēmu pārliecinieties, vai izvēlētā datora pamatplate nodrošina 5.1 atbalstu. Ņemiet vērā, ka skaļruņus nāksies izvietot ap klausītāju, tostarp aiz muguras, kas ne vienmēr ir iespējams. Turklāt 5.1 skaņu atbalsta DVD un BluRay filmas, kā arī spēles. Mp3 mūzika un YouTube lielākoties nodrošina tikai 2.0 skaņu (2.1 ir papildus basa skaļrunis, kas spēj atskaņot 2.0 skaņu)
Any wireless router is equipped with at least 4 cable ports (LAN). It is advisable to connect desktop computers via this type of connection with a standard (LAN) cable which is included with all the routers offered by
If you wish a desktop computer to be connected via a wireless connection you have to select an additional wireless network card. (see the selection above)